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I don't want you to get the wrong idea RD, I never thought of your comment's as blowing off hot air. As far as fish nutrition goes, I haven't seen anyone as knowlegedable as yourself. My belief's are just different than your's. I also feel that the rep's at Dianchi should be as smart about nutrition as you are, let's see.

I like to read all the details about the fish food, don't mind reading a few pages I wouldn't dare either to mess with you RD Our knowledge about the food manufacturing simply is not on the same level, but really curious what Dianchi's reps would answer on the details you posted before.

Anthony, what difference did you notice on your fish when feeding NLS OR Dianchi? Why weren't you happy with the results of feeding NLS, and why are you happier feeding Dianchi? You must of noticed some results...

I've been feeding NLS for the past few months and I see no big difference... Imma have to try that Dianichi...

No matter how much people talk.. Its by trying it yourself that you know what you preffer...

Short stories are interesting only when they are not trying to sell you stuff....

Anthony's system is very good and the fish get good quality water. The only thing he changed was the food, and If he saw a difference.. there probably was one.

Id say if you wanna know what food is better... try them both yourself.

Short stories are interesting only when they are not trying to sell you stuff....


For those of you that haven't figured it out yet, I'm a wholesale distributor that's based in Canada & only sells to Canadians, and for the most part just to retail stores, not hobbyists that hang out on fish forums.

I'm also not a rep for New Life, and I have never been paid a single cent by New Life for my comments on forums such as this one, or for that matter, for anything.

I have absolutely nothing financially to gain by providing the information that I have on this site.

BTW - I prefer to eat pizza.

I was under the impression you where trying to sell us stuff.... sorry bout that.

And for your info.. without hobbyst that hang out on forums... retailers wouldn't have customers and therefore, neither would you. So watch it buddy...

I can't wait till monday... (Ill probably miss work to see what the other guys will say)

BTW- You are not a fish

Ansphire ...... Relax. I'm as much a hobbyist as anyone on this forum, if I wasn't, I wouldn't be wasting my time here.

My only point was that even when I am looking for customers to sell to, it isn't the kind that hang out on fish forums, and especially not ones based in the USA. If you're going to play the salesman card, you should at least know what you're talking about.

I was also promoting this line of food long before I had any vested interest in it.

Carry on ........

Ansphire, as someone who has brawled with Rd in the past he does make a few valid points...

He is a hobbyist.
He used, and bragged about, New Life Spectrum before he ever sold one container of it.
He lives 3,000 miles away from us, and not even in the US, so why would he try to sell NLS to us when we can all get it locally.



We (the fishgeeks that are also computer geeks) are the small percentage of people who buy from retailers. Do you really think that when you walk into a lfs that the majority of those consumers go online and research as much as some of us do?
There are 500 people signed up for this website. Do you believe that there are only 500 fish hobbyists in the NY Tri-State area? There are thousands upon thousands that do not "hang out on forums".

I will stick with my first question to the Dainichi rep when he arrives on this website...
Do you carry a line of food(s) that can be fed as the exclusive diet to Tropheus?

In general I would guesstimate that 95-98% of retail store customers world-wide spend 0 time on fish forums.

Fisch - check this out:
http://www.dainichi.com/cichlid_food_Co ... ivore.html

Thanks for the link, RD.
Well I guess that Dainichi can claim a food that Tropheus can eat exclusively.

I guess I will have to think up a new question.

IMO, as long as the form of protein used is easily digestible, and the food is not full of cheap grain fillers, or excessive in fat content, Tropheus can eat damn near anything exclusively.

The exporters in Africa all feed WC Tropheus rather low quality generic fish meal based flakes with no dietary issues. According to one exporter that I spoke with (Mark Young from Mpulungu, Zambia) , the one time that he purchased spirulina flakes, the Tropheus refused to eat it, even after being starved for several days.

He also told me that that most of the information one reads in books & online forums with regards to how sensitive Tropheus dietary requirements are, “is pure rubbish.â€

RD appreciate your time and efforts you put in to compare different types of food for us and writing your opinion, it's for eveyone's benefit and knowledge, including mine... I would like to see what Dianchi's reps would answer on your breakedown from the previous page

Zebra7, would you share with us your secret results what was the outcome when feeding NLS and when feeding Diachi?

My sentiment is exactly as above. With that out of the way, let me say I use NLS for over a year and still have another 5lbs purchased recently. Basing on my personal experience, I just want to make two observations.

First I agree proper nutrition is very important. But since no manufacturers will reveal their “secretâ€

Gee, my result's are secret, I can tell you, but then I'd have to kill you, If your interested in what I have to say I'll shoot you a PM with my phone #. We can have a lengthy conversation on the topic. Too much typing for me, Anthony

Fishmn ........ You made a very good point, to a large extent this hobby is indeed very much about visual impact. While there are those that will appreciate the behavioural characteristics of even the blandest cichlid (such as some of the Tangs for example) most hobbyists want to see eye popping color, and for many hobbyists that's alll they care about.

Personally I want to see color that matches the best looking specimens out of the lake, but at the same time I want to provide the most nutritionally sound diet that I can offer my fish in the hopes that they reach their maximum potential health wise as well. If I can get 10 yrs out of a fish, vs 7 yrs, that too is important to me. If I can keep a fish healthy even when under the stress of captivity, or aggression from rival tank mates, for myself that's just as important as color.

My quest in the pet food industry began 20+ yrs ago, with dog food, and in that area you simply don't get the same visual dynamics as you do with tropical fish. Dog owners look at digestibility first & foremost, and everything else usually follows. A dog can have a great looking coat, shiny eyes, and white teeth, but if it's scat looks like it came out of the back end of a donkey, then it's obvious that most of what's going in, is coming right back out the other end. Of course when one doesn't have a "filter" picking that waste up each day, unless you live on a large acreage it's kinda difficult to miss.

In dog food digestibility of the food is EVERYTHING, yet with fish I suspect that most freshwater hobbyists don't give it a second thought, if they see decent color, in many cases that's probably all they care about.

But ... if you keep marine fish, especially some of the more difficult to keep in captivity species, this is where foods begin to play a much larger role beyond just color. You can't simply jack up a low grade food with astaxathin, and expect that it will keep that fish thriving in captivity. It's not that simple, and with the more difficult species you best provide them with the best of the best raw ingredients, or you can kiss that $200 show fish good-bye.

With many marine species, it's a matter of life & death.

Unlike most freshwater species, you simply can't keep species such as Moorish Idol, Rock Beauty, or Achilles Tang on a mediocre starch laced food & keep them alive, let alone thriving, let alone colorful. So for myself, I look for the best of both worlds, a food that will keep even the most difficult to keep species in captivity thriving in a glass cage, as well as provide great color.

IMO this is what separates a good food, from a GREAT food.

I figured that

You can describe anything in a few words, without writing a novel, like more color, better health, better growing, etc.